>> the situation is not just a fiscal cliff. we are spending a lot more than we are earning as a nation. the nation is rich enough to try to live within its means. the problem is, of course, that people have been delaying -- at some point, you are going to have to find a solution. they keep delaying the solution. every time, we have a worse rescue. i would rather have things solved early than late. that is my situation. i would rather have the markets tell us -- i would rather have events precipitate events, rather than sit there like the people in washington. the core of my idea is that it is not just a fiscal cliff, we have had -- ever since alan greenspan came to run the federal reserve, we have had this artificial stimulation masking the problems, stabilizing markets. it is very harmful. a forest in which you stifle every fire, in the long run, you'll have flammable material accumulating. tavis: we go over the cliff and in the best of worlds, what happens? >> we will be forced to find a solution. people find a solution rathe